We have met the enemy, and he is us
June 01, 2012 01:02 AM | 931 views | 11 11 comments | 9 9 recommendations | email to a friend | print
DEAR EDITOR:

Re: Dan O’Sullivan letter of May 22 (“Time to Junk School Tax Break for Cobb Seniors”)

After 10 years in retirement and free to move anywhere, I have continued living in Cobb and Marietta partially because of this tax break.

I, my wife, and many in our generation, put ourselves through college, some yoked with student loans. Then came our children (three for us), for whom I paid everything. Those were very difficult years; both parents working; I taking an out of country post alone for three years for the extra money. And now come the 11 grandchildren, for whom I have been and will continue to be partially responsible. That’s three generations of support and related educational costs!

Different generations have different problems. The “Greatest Generation,” the WWII demographic, had multiple stressful events to overcome. Careers were truncated; relationships were destroyed or diminished, they were overworked, and many were killed or maimed both physically and emotionally. My generation has their cross to bear, too. Please note that the recently retired cannot live as expected on their savings. Suppose you were prudent and lucky enough to have $1 million in retirement accounts. But financially, the country is running at a 2 percent GDP and is in a 10-to-15 year cyclical bear market requiring both personal and governmental monetary de-leveraging. This means, among other events, that one cannot safely and regularly extract even 2 percent on their savings. That’s $20,000 before taxes for our millionaire! Also note that the first decade of the new century had been essentially dead for investing. This is a curse for the retired generation.

Policy makers and lawyers can change the meaning of a concept by inventing and inserting into the conversation a single word. One such trick is “entitlement.” Of course, in recent decades, there has been an ongoing giveaway in the country in exchange for votes. But contracts like Social Security and Medicare were mostly paid for by the recipients. In my case contributing the maximum for over 40 years. Even military retirement! My 20 years in the Navy with a Vietnam tour is now recharacterized as an “entitlement.” And we all know what that means the government can pick and chose how to save the nation by breaking these covenants.

A point that Mr. Sullivan misses here is an ongoing debate in national politics: That the place we now find ourselves is due to our own misdeeds and bad decisions. For those who remember, consider “Pogo the possum,” a cartoon character in the 1940s and ’50s, whose dictum was: “We have met the enemy and he is us!”

The educational system, generally speaking, is in a state of chaos. What are the remedies? Well, maybe spend more money of course. What are the causes? Refer back to Pogo. The antithesis is simple: Spend less, especially if you don’t have it.

And you have my personal assurance, as a dues paying member of the retired generation, that statistically speaking, we don’t have much money either. And no way to earn money if we don’t have it.

George Thompson
Marietta
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homeownernextdoor
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June 14, 2012
I am in my late 40's. I still have one child in middle school. I will never see SS myself. I look forward to the exemption but I will have to grin and bear it if it is not there twenty plus years.

Both the young and old here have VERY VALID points.

SO, Here is the solution. Raise the age of eligibility for the exemption, because of several FACTS: 1)people live longer 2) people work longer because they live longer, 3) people start families and continue to bear children later in life than in previous generations.

Also, to be fair to the olders, who are approaching exemption age, allow a grace period of 1-2 years so they can adjust their life styles and spending accordingly.

Thii or some sensible variation of this might be worth considering, as opposed to the mud slinging (again valid on both fronts).

Marietta Youngster
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June 04, 2012
Just one question for all you seniors who do not want to support the school system. Were you asleep when it was your time to be minding the store? I am tired of hearing how you have sacrificed all through the years blah blah blah. You had the opportunity to reign in spending 20, 30 or 40 years ago and now that it significantly affects you, you want to kick the can down the road? How is that fair to my generation. You know the ones working to provid the SS you enjoy so much now. It may not be much but it is a whole lot more than I will see. It is time for us all to come together and work the problem not stand on the sideline saying it ain't my responsibility.
southernbychoice
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June 04, 2012
You are working "to provide the SS" we enjoy now. Excuse me, but I worked for almost 50 years, and still work and pay in, so I don't think, you are paying for my SS. Now if I live to 125 maybe you will have to kick in a little - but don't paint everyone with yoru broad brush. And I am assuming that you will not be applying for your SS when the time comes so someone else won't have to pay for the SS you enjoy then. How petty of you - tried to makea deal many years ago to get exempted from SS withholiding, and sign an affidavit that I would never apply for any benefits. Was told only federal employees, teachers and railroad workers were exempt from SS. For what I have paid in for over 50 years, I could be living high on the hog and not have to worry about any property tax exemption since my savings would probably be 25 to 30% higher than what I could ever get from SS.
Marietta Youngster
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June 04, 2012
Southernbychoice:

So many points to address so let me start with restating what my main point I said ealier. I will not be allowed to even APPLY for SS benefits seeing as though I am 30 years old now. You do realize that the coffers are bone dry and there is no money in the SS anymore. What you and I pay in goes out the door immediately to fund the baby boomers that are retiring now. I would love to be able to opt out of SS and sign whatever I need to in order to retire on my own terms but you know who is dynamically opposed to that? The retirees. I have to work to fund their retirement but that is not my point. I wasn't able to vote 30 years ago when they started taking from the cookie jar, you were. In no way should my generation shoulder this enormous burden (overspending) that was brought on way before their time. I hope this makes sense as I used my broad brush to explain hoping it clicks for you.
CobbRes
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June 05, 2012
it's REIN, not REIGN in that context. Go back to school.
anonymous
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June 04, 2012
Tell me again where in this country does seniors get exempt from school taxes? Yes only 3 counties in the state of Georgia.

Time to reverse this pathetic good ole boy law in cobb.

My father use to tell me, the only thing I have to do in life is die and pay taxes!

FYI, my parents pay the school taxes in Cobb County and proud to do so for the sake of their grandchildren's education and all of childrens future.

O’Sullivan is Right
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June 01, 2012
I agree with Dan O'Sullivan's May 22nd letter suggesting that seniors should pay school property taxes like everybody else. As Mr. O'Sullivan correctly pointed out, when it comes to paying taxes, age is irrelevant. If George Thompson's income is insufficient to help support the school system, then as other counties have done, Cobb could also adopt hardship exemptions for which those without means would be eligible.

In fact, in an industrialized country such as ours, young or old, we all rely on and benefit from each others' educations--every minute of every day. Our educational system is an investment from which our country has realized tremendous returns. If spending less, as Thompson suggests, means inferior instructors, larger classes, fewer hours in the classroom, and less educated graduates--and it does--then we can expect future generations to be worse off if we adopt his attitude on this issue.

I am appreciative of George Thompson's sacrifice for his country and for his service to his community. But why stop now?
Ple te Me
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June 01, 2012
Please tell me that the paultry amount of school tax is not all that keeps you in Cobb!!!! Pathetic
frogbreath
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June 01, 2012
Typical unthinking, unfeeling response from one who has to many who may not. Paltry("paultry") to you may be a lot to someone whose sole income is Social Security. $100 a month may be the electric bill or an evening at the dinner and the movies.

Each of us has different needs and different opinions about what is needed to sustain us. I am paying medical and dental expenses for an adult child who has none. Last year was a very bad years and cost me thousands for surgery. My wife needed four surgeries. She has insurance, but the 20% it cost us inflicted deep financial strain on my family.

The "paultry" (paltry) amount we did not pay to the school tax was helpful. There is no way we can replace the money we spent. We are thankful that we had savings and a credit line to help us pay.

PS If I were paying school tax, I would want my portion of the spelling teaching reimbursed.
southernbychoice
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June 01, 2012
Well said Mr. THompson - don't you find it strange that at the very time the talks run rampant about budget crunches - no one even stops to consider the plight of those who have worked all their lives to see their meager savings (accummulated by most through years of sacrafice and personal savings) planned for retirement eaten up by inflation and lack of any kind of interest on any investment. Home prices are in the tank, but our local officials seem to think we should be satisfied that our assessments have "remained the same as last year", knowing full well that the elderly cannot sell their property for anywhere near what it is assessed for. But do you hear much abuot cutting medicaid, food stamps, free phones, and on and on. No, it seems the argument "it will hurt the children" seems to be acceptable, but killing the elderly who have precious little money (and no real way to earn more) even for food and meds, is no big deal. I also appreciate your point that we have paid into SS and medicare - I like you, for over 40 years, and at 70 continue to work and pay in. I can only work because I have my own business, although it is not the income, which has become negligible since I have to pay my employes, that keeps me working,it is to stay active and keep my mind off the cliff that is approaching all of us.
misterbill
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June 01, 2012
George,

Well written! Excellent letter. The last part,

"And you have my personal assurance, as a dues paying member of the retired generation, that statistically speaking, we don’t have much money either. And no way to earn money if we don’t have it.",

- tells it like it is.

I watched a TV show a couple of years back where Electrolux closed a plant in Michigan and moved it to Mexico. Older workers left behind said they were running through their savings and "there is no way to replace them".

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